Q. In December of 1996, who did you consider to be the most experienced homicide detective in the
Boulder Police Department?

A. In the entire department?

Q. I think I'm pretty clear, sir, in the Boulder Police Department, the detective department of the
Boulder police.

A. As I asked, that the detective -- there is a detective department and then there is a uniform
department where --

Q. I think my question said in the detective department.

A. In the detective department I think the most experienced homicide investigator was likely
Detective Sergeant Tom Wickman.

Q. As I understand it initially Tom Trujillo and Linda Ardnt were the two designated co-lead
detectives on the case, JonBenet Ramsey case, true?

A. Yes.

Q. And then after Arndt was removed, did Tom Wickman take that place, did he become the lead
detective?

A. Tom Wickman or Tom Trujillo?

Q. You tell me whether it was Wickman or Trujillo.

A. No, because there was no real designation at that point.

Q. Were you ever designated by the department as the lead detective or co-lead detective on the
case?

A. There were four or five detectives who were designated as primary detectives who worked this
case full time with no other assignments.

Q. My question was were you ever designated by the Boulder Police Department as the lead
detective or a co-lead detective on the JonBenet Ramsey case?

A. No, after Ardnt left -- actually, prior to Arndt leaving, that designation was not being used in the
manner you describe it.

Q. The two shootings that you were involved in while you were with the Boulder Police Department,
do you know whether the department itself investigated those two shootings?

A. I don't know the inception of a unit called the Boulder County Shoot Team, when that came into
being but it was either investigated by the Boulder County Shoot Team or the Boulder Police
Department.