LAST EDITED ON May-17-03 AT 03:27 PM (EST)
 
Q. (BY MR. WOOD) When was Steven Pitt hired?

A. I don't know if Pitt came to the investigation through the district attorney's office or through
Sergeant Wickman but I recall Mr. -- or Dr. Pitt being on scene or being in Boulder, being involved
with the investigation was it summer of 1997 maybe. I don't know for sure.

Q. Was there any plan or strategy on the part of Boulder Police Department or any other law
enforcement agencies to try to put pressure on the Ramseys through the public?

A. I think so.

Q. And wasn't that part of what Steven Pitt was there to do?

A. I don't know what his employment agreement or what his motivations were for being there, but
he certainly offered advice.

Q. On that issue?

A. Yes.

Q. And isn't it true that Lou Smit's approach to build a bridge with the Ramseys really was in conflict
with the Boulder Police Department's strategy of putting public pressure on them?

A. Yes.

Q. And the FBI was involved, Bill Hagmaier, who I happened to know from Richard Jewell's case?

A. Great guy.

Q. Yeah, wrong on Richard Jewell, wrong on Ramsey, that's consistent. Mr. Hagmaier was
involved in the formulation of this plan of public pressure on the Ramseys, wasn't he?

A. I believe there were discussions with the FBI, yes, about how to exert some public pressure on
people who are not cooperating, yes.

Q. Part of that was to try to portray them clearly to the public as being uncooperative and therefor
appearing to be possibly involved in the death of their daughter, right?

A. I think it was two different things. I don't think they were necessarily trying to further paint them
as uncooperative. I think they were using the media to get them back in to help us with the case.

Q. Were they also thinking that they might use the media to apply pressure so that there might be a
possibility that one of the parents might confess involvement in the crime? Was that ever discussed?

A. That may have been -- that may have been some motivations.

Q. Do you believe from your recollections that that was discussed?

A. I wouldn't disagree with it. I don't have any concise, clear recollection of a conversation like that.