Q. JonBenet Ramsey, that was the first murder investigation that you were involved in; is that right? A. As a detective, yes.
Q. You were involved in a murder investigation in some other capacity?
A. I had been on homicide scenes as a uniformed officer.
Q. But as a detective actively investigating the murder, was JonBenet Ramsey the first murder
investigation in that capacity for you?
A. Yes.
Q. Can we also say that it was the
only one?
A. No.
Q. So you were involved as a detective in other homicide investigations?
A. Yes.
Q. Tell me about those. How many?
A. One other.
Q. When was that?
A. In 1997, I believe.
Q. Is that the one where the police officer was present when someone shot someone else in a
domestic dispute?
A. Yes.
Q. And then the person came down and admitted that he had shot or she had shot their spouse?
A. Yes.
Q. And that was kind of the end all of that case, wasn't it? Pretty open and shut, wouldn't you
agree?
A. When you say end all, yes, that concluded rather quickly.
Q. Yeah, I mean as I understand that case, there was a domestic dispute call, the police officer was
there and one of the spouses shot the other one and killed them, right?
A. Yes.
Q. And then came down to the police headquarters, and I believe you may have even been the
person talking to the perpetrator, and that person admitted to shooting his -- was it his spouse or her
spouse?
A. Her spouse.
Q. Her spouse. Anything other than that one case prior to the JonBenet Ramsey murder
investigation, did you have any other case where you were involved in a homicide investigation as a
detective?
A. No.
Q. Okay. So it was the only other one; JonBenet Ramsey was your last one I'm sure, right?
A. No, the last one was this Jakob-Chien homicide we're describing.
Q. That was the last one, I thought that was in -- oh, I'm sorry, that was in 1997 but your
involvement ended in '97. The last one you've been involved in went through '98 and that was
JonBenet Ramsey?
A. Right.
Q. From the time you were assigned to the JonBenet Ramsey case up until the time that you left,
were you assigned to any other homicide case?
A. Other than the one we noted, no.
Q. And I take it the JonBenet Ramsey case, other than the case that you noted, pretty much was
your full-time job; is that right?
A. Yes.
Q. And have you ever had any training, formal training, in handwriting analysis?
A. No.
Q. Have you ever had any formal training in criminal profiling?
A. No.
Q. Other than the 1997 case where you obtained the confession from the spouse who shot her
husband while the police officer was present on the premises, and other than the Ramsey case, have
you ever conducted any other interrogations of murder suspects or potential suspects?
A. On reported homicides, no, not that I'm aware of.
Q. Would you be willing to authorize us, subject to your counsel's recommendation or right to object
if he asked, would you be willing to authorize us to obtain a copy of your Boulder Police Department
personnel file?
MR. DIAMOND: You don't have to answer that. If you want to make a request to me, I will
respond.
Q. (BY MR. WOOD) How many internal affairs investigations have you been the subject of?
A. I believe just one.
Q. When was that?
A. In the early to mid part of 19 -- of the 1990s.
Q. Was that Wheat Ridge or Boulder?
A. That was with the Boulder Police Department.
Q. Did that stem out of a shooting?
A. No.
Q. Or did it -- just give me a general idea of what it involved.
A. An unauthorized vehicular pursuit.
Q. And that's the only one, the only internal affairs investigation?
A. That's right. The incidents that you refer to -- there was no further -- to be an internal affairs
complaint there has to be a complainant and you mentioned the shooting incident, there was no
complaint.
Q. Is there any reason why the two-page report on Chris Wolf was in your book, why, for example,
that was separated out from the other box of materials?
A. No, I didn't say in my book. I said in a book. And this summer when I knew the Wolf case was
pending, I was pleased to find that folded in half and stuck in a book.
Q. What book was it stuck in?
A. A book on my desk, on my library shelf.
Q. Why were you pleased to find it?
A. Because I knew I would be giving testimony in this case and it might help me recollect some of
what I did four or five years ago.
Q. You could also refresh yourself with some of the statements you made in your book about Mr.
Wolf, couldn't you?
A. Yes.
Q. You recall Chris Wolf, don't you?
A. Yes.
Q. Am I correct that the Boulder Police Department conducted a thorough investigation of Chris
Wolf?
A. I'm aware and was a participant in the Boulder Police Department investigating Mr. Wolf, yes.
Q. My question was though, sir, do you agree that the Boulder Police Department conducted a
thorough investigation of Chris Wolf?
A. I know what I did with my involvement with Mr. Wolf, but I don't have personal knowledge of
what the detectives who subsequently closed him out as a suspect did to satisfy themselves.
Q. Well, take a look, if you would, at page 273 of your book.
MR. DIAMOND: For the record, do we have the hard cover?
MR. WOOD: Yeah, this is a hard cover.
Q. (BY MR. WOOD) 273 and this is just in context apparently on an incident you're describing that
occurred on February the 25th of 1998, with Mayor Bob Greenlee. Do you know Mayor Greenlee?
MR. DIAMOND: Can you point to where you are, at the top of the page?
MR. WOOD: Just hang on a second, pay attention, you'll get there.
Q. (BY MR. WOOD) In context do you recall the February incident with Mayor Greenlee about
Chris Wolf?
A. I don't recall the date being a specific date in February but I certainly recall meeting with Mr.
Greenlee, yes, about Chris Wolf.
Q. Look at the top of page 273. If you would follow with me, quote, We need to check this out, the
mayor snorted. We need a thorough investigation into this. End quote. "I guess he wanted me to
cower in his presence. Greenlee trapped himself, not me." Quote, We are thoroughly investigating him,
end quote, " I replied. Even as we spoke, Chris Wolf was in an interview room voluntarily giving
handwriting, hair and DNA samples and a statement." Have you followed me?
A. I have followed you.
Q. Have I read that correctly?
A. Yes.
Q. So it was your understanding that the Boulder Police Department was thoroughly investigating
Chris Wolf, true?
A. Yes, even contemporaneous with my exchange with the mayor on that particular day.
Q. And the investigation of Mr. Wolf had started back in January of 1997; is that right?
A. Yes.