P. RAMSEY: What I want to hear how is it exactly that you think I killed my daughter. I just cannot
understand that. I want to hear it from start to finish. Tell me exactly what happened.

THOMAS: You were home that night, and apparently...

P. RAMSEY: Tell me what happened.

THOMAS: You can't say for certainty -- you were in the house, right?

P. RAMSEY: Yes, I most certainly was. Answer my question, please.

KING: He certainly wasn't there, so he can't know for certain.

J. RAMSEY: He has a theory. He has accused Pasty of murder.

KING: He has to have a theory, all right.

J. RAMSEY: What is the theory?

THOMAS: And you've heard the theory.

J. RAMSEY: I have not heard the theory.

THOMAS: I offered a hypothesis.

J. RAMSEY: Answer my question.

THOMAS: I'm trying to, John.

KING: Your theory is?

THOMAS: My theory is that Patsy, in a violent confrontation with her daughter...

KING: Accidentally killed her?

THOMAS: No, not -- accidental, I hypothesize, in the sense that it lacked motive, not unlike...

KING: No motive.

THOMAS: Accidental in that sense. Excuse me, John, did you have something else?

J. RAMSEY: I've got lots else, but go ahead.

THOMAS: At that point, instead of making a right turn, she made a left turn and covered this up. It's
not unlike 11,000 other children that have been murdered in this country or killed feloniously by
parents in the last 20 years. I don't see this as that remarkable a case, other than what it became.

KING: If it's this pat as you say -- and the way you make it, it's kind of pat -- why has no action
been taken against this couple?

J. RAMSEY: Because his theory is contradicted irrefutably by the forensic evidence.

THOMAS: Is that right, John? Now why don't you tell us this convoluted, sex crime, pedophile
kidnapper?

J. RAMSEY: Would you allow me to answer the question please, Steve?

We have had some of the world's best forensics experts look at evidence. They have told us that
JonBenet was strangled to death. The last act that this creature did to our daughter was a vicious
blow to the head. That is irrefutable.

THOMAS: That's not consistent with...

J. RAMSEY: That's not consistent with your theory, and that's my point.

THOMAS: Right, but you're suggesting, if I am hearing you correctly -- and let me ask you, why will
you not take the FBI polygraph?

P. RAMSEY: Don't change the subject, Steve. Come on.

J. RAMSEY: OK, dealing with the topic at hand. We're dealing with big issues here. You have accused
us of murder.

THOMAS: Let's hear your theory. I'm waiting.

P. RAMSEY: We're waiting for you to finish. Tell me exactly step by step how you envision...

THOMAS: I wasn't there.

P. RAMSEY: You must have conjured something in your head for you to come out and call me a
murderer of my child. I want to hear one through 10. When did I write this ransom note? Before or
after I killed JonBenet?

THOMAS: You tell me: You wrote the ransom note.

P. RAMSEY: No, you're the one theorizing here, you tell me.

THOMAS: You were in the house that night.

And John, you can't say for certain.

KING: It's circumstantial.

THOMAS: Yes. And John, you can't say for certain who did or did not kill JonBenet, because you have
said you were asleep. You cannot say for certain because you weren't there.

J. RAMSEY: I want to hear your theory, Steve. Let me ask you this: Are you prepared to state that
Patsy killed JonBenet, that I covered it up, and that you can prove that in a court of law? Are you
prepared to say that tonight?

THOMAS: I've written a book, and I stand by my book.

KING: And your book said that.

THOMAS: My book stands on its own. I haven't heard this "pedophile, kidnapper, murderer" theory.

KING: So you mean their theory?

J. RAMSEY: They are all options.

P. RAMSEY: So you will not say in a court of law...

THOMAS: Certainly we considered options in this case.

KING: When you're a detective -- this fascinates me -- do you guess as to motive when you're
looking into a crime? Like, why was this child killed for what purpose?

THOMAS: Certainly.

KING: And in this case, you came to a conclusion it was sort of in a rage.

THOMAS: Yes, I don't think that there was premeditation to this child being killed.

(CROSSTALK)

You're still not answering my question.

J. RAMSEY: What in our background did you find -- and our background has been investigated for 3
1/2 years. What in our background did you find that would show that we were capable of this horrible
crime?

THOMAS: You play right into it. I don't show that there is a motive in this case. I don't suggest that.

J. RAMSEY: Answer the question. What did you find in our background that would demonstrate that
we are capable of this crime?

THOMAS: I gave you a pass, John. Unless you want to say otherwise, I don't think you were
involved.

P. RAMSEY: We, he said "we."

J. RAMSEY: I'm asking about, you accused Patsy of murder, me of complicity.

P. RAMSEY: What in my past...

J. RAMSEY: What in Patsy's past did you find?

P. RAMSEY: ... have you seen that has ever indicated that I would be capable of doing something like
this? Those 11,000 parents that you state, did they have a past?

THOMAS: I'll ask you a question right back. You suggest this great conspiracy...

P. RAMSEY: I don't want a question right back. I want...

(CROSSTALK)

THOMAS: Certainly. You suggest this great conspiracy involving...

J. RAMSEY; Answer...

KING: All right, let me get a break. Let me get a break, and we'll have to have more direct questions
and answers.

P. RAMSEY: He never answers the question.

KING: All right, we'll be right back with Steve Thomas and the Ramseys.

Don't go away.

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KING: Is the key to this, what your saying, the note? That's the whole key?

THOMAS: Absolutely. As a matter of fact, I've heard Patsy Ramsey say on national television that
even own experts cannot eliminate her as the author of the note. And a follow-up question to that
there is people who rate higher on that scale who are potential suspects -- and I'd ask you who, who
are these people?

J. RAMSEY: None of your business, Steve, because you're no longer a police detective.

THOMAS: Let me ask you this...

(CROSSTALK)

THOMAS: I'm asking you why you're not going to the Boulder Police Department. KING: Your
contention is it is based on your belief she wrote the note?

THOMAS: Primarily.

KING: So two plus two equals four.

THOMAS: Primarily. Yes, sir.

J. RAMSEY: Answer my question: What in Patsy's background did you find that would cause you to
believe that she could commit this horrible act?

THOMAS: Well, I'll pose this and...

J. RAMSEY: Answer the question, please.

KING: Let him try -- go ahead.

THOMAS: I can't get three words out.

J. RAMSEY: Answer the question.

THOMAS: Let me pose this: Why, then, absent this great conspiracy that you suggest, would these
pediatric experts come in...

J. RAMSEY: Please, answer the question, Steve.

KING: All right.

THOMAS: Fair is fair.

J. RAMSEY: Can I ask a question and have the answer?

KING: I know, but someone could not have a background and still do something violent.

J. RAMSEY: Very, very unlikely.

KING: You mean if a person commits violence, they have committed it before.

J. RAMSEY: In a court...

THOMAS: According to your theory.

P. RAMSEY: Most probably.

J. RAMSEY: Abused situation, in virtually all the cases, there is a history of abuse that's known by
the parents, by the authorities, by the social service agencies.

KING: Was a thorough investigation done of the Ramseys and their children?

THOMAS: Yes, absolutely. KING: And?

THOMAS: And why would pediatric medical experts that the Boulder Police Department brought into
this case swear out, via affidavit, that JonBenet had been subjected to prior vaginal trauma.

J. RAMSEY: You're lying. You're lying, Steve. That is a lie.

KING: Wait a minute. You're saying they didn't say that?

J. RAMSEY: Our pediatrician, who saw JonBenet a dozen times each year for the past three years
before this happened, has sworn and testified in public that he saw no evidence of sexual abuse.

KING: And what was evidence your pediatrician saw?

THOMAS: Well, my pediatrician, pediatric experts that were brought into this case, a blue ribbon
medical panel.

J. RAMSEY: Who are they, Steve? Can I ask you who they are?

KING: Said? Said?

THOMAS: Said that this little girl, prior to the night she died, had been subjected to previous vaginal
trauma.

P. RAMSEY: That is a lie.

J. RAMSEY: this is the same category as his so-called "linguistics expert," who he brought in and
testified that...

KING: Let me ask you, what's his motive? What do you think? Why? Do you think he's out to get you?

J. RAMSEY: I think at this point he's a profiteer. He's the only person from inside the system who has
written a book, who has gone on national television. It's disgraceful, absolutely disgraceful.

KING: But he did quit his job over this, so obviously you...

P. RAMSEY: Because he was headed down a wrong path. He was at the point of no return. And his
ego is the size of a barn, and he can't put it aside to try to find the murderer of this child.

THOMAS: Everybody is wrong, but Lou Smith.

P. RAMSEY: That's right. That's what it says in your -- everybody but Steve Thomas is wrong.

THOMAS: Everybody is wrong but Lou Smith -- the FBI, federal law enforcement, the FBI polygraphy
unit, state law enforcement, the governor of Colorado, the police detective, the D.A.'s office.

P. RAMSEY: Did they show -- did all of those people show all of their evidence to the grand jurors?
Why didn't they come... THOMAS: Let's remember, the grand jury did not exonerate you either.

J. RAMSEY: It's not the grand jury's task to exonerate. Their task is to indict.

THOMAS: I think the grand jury may have issued a report had they -- you were the targets of this
grand jury.

J. RAMSEY: No question.

THOMAS: You know it.

J. RAMSEY: I know that.

THOMAS: Probable cause wasn't an issue. And Patsy tonight I think I've heard her say she wish she
was arrested in this case.

KING: Well, because they feel it would be an end, to have a trial.

J. RAMSEY: We've been tried in public by innuendo and slander from people like you. God knows we
would have loved to have a fair trial in a court of law.

THOMAS: I don't apologize for the book. I left a career, Larry, as you said. I wrote the book for the
same reason that you did, to put information out publicly.

J. RAMSEY: No, you put that book out to line your pockets with money based on our tragedy.

THOMAS: No, that's not true. And as a matter of fact, I think you wrote a book as well and took
money for that.

J. RAMSEY: It's going to charity.

Tell me what...

THOMAS: And I think you've also said it's going to a legal defense fund.

KING: On the other side, you said that one of the reasons this case is unsolved is him.

J. RAMSEY: Absolutely.

KING: Why?

J. RAMSEY: Because he failed miserably in the task he was given. He was inexperienced. He didn't
accept help from people...

(CROSSTALK)

KING: Do you think he had the opportunity to solve it at that point? J. RAMSEY: I think experienced
homicide investigators could have solved this case by now.

P. RAMSEY: No, it's not all Steve Thomas' fault. You, it is not all this young man's fault. He did not
have good leadership in his department to lead him down a path of experience. You know, you can't
fault the man for that, truly. I can understand that.

KING: You can understand, Patsy, why you were suspects?

P. RAMSEY: I can understand because there was no one leading this man with any leadership
capability to investigate the homicide of the young child. I understand that. I know the first time that
I interviewed with detective, then-Detective Thomas, I saw the passion in the man's eyes. He wants
to find the killer of this child. It's just that he's going down the wrong path. Now what I do...

KING: Doesn't this anger you?

P. RAMSEY: Well, you know, I felt sorry for the man, truly. We know we're not guilty. He is convinced
that we are. Now I am sorry for that.

KING: Somebody is wrong.

P. RAMSEY: He has -- his career has suffered. He's a young man. This was -- he was at -- you
know, very young in his career. He has lost his job. His -- he doesn't have a family yet, I don't
believe. Perhaps you're married.

God willing, if you ever have a child one day, you will know the pain perhaps when someone hands
you the child in your arms, and says, Mr. Thomas, this is your child, do you tell me that you are going
to look at that child, and -- you just had a new baby, Larry. Could you ever conceive of...

KING: I can't imagine how anyone could harm a child.

P. RAMSEY: ... doing something to this child, let alone the things that this man is...

KING: I'm sure it's beyond belief to you, too, right, that anyone could harm a child?

THOMAS: Of course. It happens every day, unfortunately.

P. RAMSEY: I want see the day when he has a child.

KING: Let me get a break and come back. We'll be back with more. We'll also include your phone
calls.

Don't go away.

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