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DonBradley
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"Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuits"
 
   Laci Peterson's mother, Sharon Rocha, has filed two wrongful death lawsuits against Scott Peterson.

It is ofcourse unlikely that he will have any assets with which to pay a judgement but they will use the civil judgment to seize any earnings from book rights or the like.


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1. "RE: Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuit"
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   There is already an action pending that deals with a restraint against Scott Peterson from profiting from publicity about the crime. That action has not yet resulted in any orders being issued, but such restraints are often circumvented by having the guilty party not be the author receiving the royalties since the book is a "by Unknown Hack as told to by the infamous Guilty Party".


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2. "RE: Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuit"
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   I just dont get this whole 'civil action lawsuit' thing. If a criminal court finds someone not guilty, how is it that a civil court can say 'well we cant send you to jail, but we can deem you to be guilty and take away all your possesions'! You cant be both guilty AND not guilty.

Laci's mother is hurting, thats understandable, but shouldnt she show respect for the law and wait for the trial to hear ALL the evidence from both sides before declaring her son in law guilty of murder?


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3. "RE: Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuit"
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   OJ was found not guilty, but Nicole's family won the civil lawsuit. I think they can find you responsible for a person's death even if you are found not guilty of actually murdering them. Strange twist in the law?

BTW, Nicole's family has yet to receive one dime from OJ, yet he lives a pretty cushy life in Florida. From what I understand they can't touch his pension, but they could take any money he earns from working... which is probably why he just spends his days golfing, oops, I meant... looking for the 'real' killers...

IMO


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4. "Standards"
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   Guilty requires a criminal proceeding and the standard is usually 'guilt beyond a reasonable doubt'.

Civil actions are determined usually by 'mere preponderance of the evidence' and do not determine a person's guilt only that he in fact committed the act. The fact that a criminal jury acquitted him or convicted him is not determinative for a civil jury.

In a juvenile proceeding, an accused might be determined to be 'not guilty of burglary' (standard was 'beyond a reasonable doubt) but he might also be adjudged to be a juvenile delinquent for having committed that burglary (standard was 'mere preponderance of the evidence). So a Judge could say at the conclusion of the trial: Not Guilty of the burglary charge, but found to be a delinquent because he committed the burglary. Same evidence, different standards of proof.


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5. "RE: Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuit"
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   >they can't touch his pension
Civil judgements can be satisfied from whatever assets are legally reachable by creditors. A pension usually can not be seized by creditors, but once a payment from the pension is actually paid to the pensionee, that can be treated differently that the pension.

In OJ's case, he was allowed to use certain assets to pay for his security staff, etc. and thus he uses funds for that purpose and his creditors can seize anything they find, but since he doesn't have to work, he won't work because the money would go to his creditors, not him.

Many people are judgement proof because they don't have assets or those assets have been so well hidden behind 'trusts established in secrecy havens' that no one can prove its really an asset of the debtor.

One ex-wife in Florida was killed by her multi-millionaire ex-husband, but he used alot of the money to pay his criminal lawyers and during the criminal trial he moved assets to offshore trusts so that his children's civil judgement against him for murdering their mother resulted in headlines about millions, but nary a penny so far.


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6. "RE: Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuit"
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   If a person is found not guilty, that should be the end of it, period! Regardless of how many people think he IS guilty of the offence, it shouldn't mean squat. Whats the point in having law courts if they can be made a mockery of?


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7. "RE: Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuit"
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   >If a person is found not guilty, that should be the end of it, period!

It is! He can not be re-tried on the criminal charges.

But a civil suit does not seek to impose any criminal charges or criminal punishment on the defendant.

It seeks monetary damages for the acts that he committed.

To use the Juvenile Court analogy again:

The Judge who heard the evidence can say:

Having heard the evidence, I find you NOT GUILTY of the crime of breaking that window, but I do find you to be a juvenile delinquent because you broke that window.

The civil suit that might later follow is just to make the little brat pay for the window, it does not impose any criminal penalties on him, it just makes him pay for the new window.



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8. "RE: Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuit"
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   DonB...The broken window and the wayward kid hardly compares to this case. If the court finds that Scott, due to lack of evidence, is not guilty of murder, that surely implies that if someone murdered Laci, it was NOT Scott. Guilty or not guilty, its either black or white....there are NO grey areas. If the civil court finds him guilty after the criminal courts 'not guilty' finding, then the civil court is saying 'they got it wrong'.
If the civil court agrees with the criminal court and deems him guilty, what next for the disgruntled family or friends? A kangaroo court?
Of course not everyone agrees with court verdicts, but if we refuse to accept them, we may as well revert to forming a posse, hunting the accused down, and hanging him from the tallest tree.


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9. "RE: Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuit"
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   The thing is that in a criminal trial, some information can be kept from being considered by judges and jurors because of defense motions. In a civil trial, the standards aren't as strict and sometimes more of the story can be considered.


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10. "RE: Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuit"
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   No Sooty if the criminal court finds Scott not guilty it has nothing to do with civil court.
Apples and oranges.


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11. "RE: Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuit"
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   Sam...my point exactly! The whole criminal vs civil court thing seems incredibly unjust to me. In a criminal case, {in the interests of justice}, the parimeters are there for a reason, but no need to feel relieved as it can get handed over to a lesser court who move the goal posts out several notches, overturn the finding and strip you of all your worldly possesions?? Crazy!

If 'not guilty' doesnt mean not guilty, what does it mean?


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12. "RE: Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuit"
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   I understand that is how the law is written, I just never understood why it was written that way.

Why should I have to pay for a window that I was found not guilty of breaking?

Why should I pay $$$ to someone's family if I'm found not guilty of murdering their loved one?

It just doesn't make sense to me.

It almost seems like double-jeapardy to me.


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13. "RE: Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuit"
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   Oj case is a great example. But I do wonder if Nicoles or Ron Goldman's father ever saw any money?


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14. "RE: Laci Peterson's Mother files lawsuit"
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   Not a dime, Ashley


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15. "Scott Peterson Fights Back"
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   Peterson fights for right to book, movie deals

January 24, 2004
By SUSAN HERENDEEN
BEE STAFF WRITER

An attorney for Scott Peterson on Friday said the Stanislaus County Superior Court should throw out a lawsuit that seeks to bar his client from profiting from the death of his wife and unborn child.

The lawsuit, brought by Sharon Rocha, Laci Peterson's mother, asks the court to keep any payments from book or movie deals in a trust account until a verdict is reached in Scott Peterson's double-murder trial.

Peterson's lawyer said the court should dismiss the case, because the complaint is filed under California's "Son of Sam" law, which was struck down nearly two years ago. Complete article at the link:

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/8045763p-8907379c.html


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16. "RE: Scott Peterson Fights Back"
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   Seems to me that if Scott is convicted of the murder he will get nothing from any movieor book - - but if he is NOT convicted, the law entitles him to anything. Why should journalists and documentary makers make money and not him IF he is not convicted?

Personally, I have no problem saying I think the evidence points to Scott as guilty - the thought that he could get away with murder and make afortune off the crime is upsetting

BUT

I will watch the trial with an open mind, let's see what happens in court.


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17. "Sharon"
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   has every right to sue him. In her mind he's responsible for the murder of her child. Let a court decide that... but if they find him innnocent, it doesn't change her mind. She should be allowed to make sure he does not profit from what she deems his crime.

That's how I see it anyway.


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18. "RE: Sharon"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-25-04 AT 01:52 PM (EST)
 
Oh and let's face it. Oj's trial was ajoke. We all know he was proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The civil jury made sure that some justice was done. Or at least they tried.

Our system is lacking greatly. Some innocent people go to the chair, while some guilty are free as a bird out on the golf courses! :(

We should all fear this so-called justice system It just doesn't work, IMO!


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19. "RE: Sharon"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-25-04 AT 02:44 PM (EST)
 
Let's see, does the mother have a right to file a law suit? You bet your booty she does. In civil court it is by the preponderance of the evidence.

In a criminal trial, it is beyound a reasonable doubt.

Her reason for the timing of the suit, is most likely because of the statue of limitation.

Modesto, Ca; it must be nice to have a DA that will do his job. Over here in east TX, Cass County that is, they won't do anything about a murderer.

Civil Court sometimes is the only course to get justice. We won our civil trial.

It reads like this, "The court makes further findings with respect to Steven Jones' wrongful death claim by clear and convincing evidence."

The only evidence that we had to present was the death file. We begged for help all the way to the president, and got nothing. It is my opinion that she should take it all the way. Scott Peterson should not profit at all.


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20. "RE: Sharon"
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   If convicted, Scott should lose all his rights to any monetary gain regarding Laci and Conner's murder.

And in my opinion, he is guilty, from what little evidence I have heard. But I will weigh all the evidence once it is heard and voice my opinion again, should it change. But unless the defense has that "real killer" as they have proclaimed many times, then I don't see my mind changing.

He should be blocked from making any money from their deaths until after a jury decides his fate. Sharon had and has every right to sue.

Of course, that is just my opinion.


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21. "RE: Sharon"
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   Also I think the 250,000 dollars insurance policy has been paid out.
The court has it waiting to see if Scott is found guilty or innocent.
If Scott is found innocent the court must give him the money.
I'm sure this may have something to do with the civil suit.


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22. "RE: Sharon"
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   Hiya Sam,

I thought that they would wait to pay out the insurance money until the questions surrounding her death were solved?


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23. "RE: Sharon"
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   Hi momof6. I heard on Greta Vansusterin or maybe it was Larry King that the insurance company has already paid out the money and the court had it waiting to see if Scott is found innocent are guilty.
If found innocent they will pay him the money. That may be one reason why Sharon filed the civil suit.


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24. "RE: Sharon"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-04 AT 04:37 PM (EST)
 
Or the other reason Sharon sued him could be because he has been talking to someone about a book or movie deal. Word is that Scott wants to sue against the suit that Sharon has against him, getting it lifted so that UNTIL he is proven guilty, he can talk and tell his story to whomever... freeing him up to sell his story before verdict.


Edited to add: See new thread posted.


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25. "Insurance Funds"
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   ...have been paid by the insurance company. The insurance was a bit over $250,000 and was not for the insurance to hold in their accounts. It was paid and is being held by the court. The policy was purchased long before Laci went missing. The insurance company was not obligated,( for privacy matters ) nor did they answer as to who was present at the time the policy was purchased.


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26. "RE: Insurance Funds"
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   I noticed a movie for tv will be airing in Feb about the Laci Peterson case. I wonder if the producers of this movie paid anyone any money?


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27. "RE: Insurance Funds"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-28-04 AT 06:19 PM (EST)
 
The Movie is on Friday, the 13th of February....

(Which also happens to be my birthday)


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