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Countrygirl
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Oct-01-03, 09:08 PM (EST)
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   NEWS UPDATE: Unidentified bones found in area where Laci washed ashore

By JOHN COTE
BEE STAFF WRITER

Published: October 1, 2003, 05:44:00 PM PDT

Contra Costa County coroner’s officials took possession Wednesday of several bones reportedly found near the spot where Laci Peterson’s remains washed ashore in April, authorities said.
No determination has been made on whether the bones are human, Contra Costa County sheriff’s spokesman Jimmy Lee said. A forensic anthropoligist will be testing them in the “next few days,” he said.

For the complete story, see tomorrow's Bee or www.modbee.com


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1. "RE: Unidentified bones found"
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   Seems feasible to me that the bones that might have fallen off while her body was floating or submerged might eventually make it to shore. I think bones would sink in water but they might be almost buoyant after awhile, as they get older maybe they get lighter? Then they gradually move to shore? They might have been somehow tied to weights or in concrete and eventually the flesh deteriorated and they worked loose and drifted by currents up to the shore? Just guessing but it seems they were not there in April but they are there now so six months later they kind of roll up with the waves?


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2. "RE: Unidentified bones found"
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   http://www.modbee.com/local/story/7532111p-8444705c.html

Woman finds bones near site of Peterson's remains


By JOHN COTÉ
BEE STAFF WRITER


Published: October 2, 2003, 06:51:25 AM PDT


Contra Costa County coroner's officials took possession Wednesday of several bones reportedly found near the spot where Laci Peterson's remains washed ashore in April.
Investigators had not determined whether the bones are human, Contra Costa County sheriff's spokesman Jimmy Lee said Wednesday. A forensic anthropologist will be testing them in the "next few days," he said.

A Richmond woman said she discovered the bones "weeks ago" near the spot where Laci Peterson's remains were found along the eastern shore of San Francisco Bay, Richmond police Sgt. Enos Johnson said.

The woman apparently took the bones home and stored them in a plastic container until calling Modesto police Monday, Johnson said.

Modesto officers notified their Richmond counterparts, who sent an evidence technician to the woman's home Monday afternoon, Johnson said.

Police identified the woman as Lori Krestian. She could not be reached Wednesday.

Johnson and Lee both said they did not know what the bones looked like nor how many had been found.

Laci Peterson was almost eight months pregnant when she was reported missing Christmas Eve. Her body was badly decomposed when a passer-by found it in April at Point Isabel Regional Shoreline. The body of her unborn son was found near the shoreline just over a mile away.

Scott Peterson has been charged with two counts of murder in the deaths of his wife and son. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

Prevailing winds and tides in the bay regularly bring debris ashore at Point Isabel, a park popular with dog walkers, said Chief Norman Lapera of the East Bay Regional Parks Police. His department has jurisdiction over the park.

Bee staff writer John Coté can be reached at 578-2394 or jcote@modbee.com.


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Oct-02-03, 12:27 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Unidentified bones found"
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   WHY would you take the bones home with you???? How gross.


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Mikiemoderator
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4. "RE: Unidentified bones found"
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   I remember the movie called "The Bone Collector". The killer took a bone from each victim.


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Countrygirl
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Oct-02-03, 01:39 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Unidentified bones found"
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   Once this person moved those bones their true origin became questionable.

How does LE really know that they were found near the location where Laci's body was found? They only have this person's word for it.


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rosario_c
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Oct-02-03, 02:42 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Unidentified bones found"
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   I don't get it, how hard was it to just contact authorities right then and there when you found the bones??? Surely she had heard about the case? She should have just left in the same spot so they could be collected where they were found. She doesn't sound too smart. sheesh!


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7. "RE: Unidentified bones found"
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   There are no phones on that beach. Besides, she collected them over a few week period, then decided to call the cops. Everyone is not a forensic investigator like us.


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rosario_c
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Oct-02-03, 04:16 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Unidentified bones found"
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   Uh...she could have reported them THAT day. That would be the responsible thing to do, ya think? You would think that if she collected them over time, she was from THAT area and knew about the case. And KNEW Laci had parts missing. c'mon....


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Countrygirl
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Oct-02-03, 04:29 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Unidentified bones found"
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   {{A Richmond woman said she discovered the bones "weeks ago" near the spot where Laci Peterson's remains were found along the eastern shore of San Francisco Bay, Richmond police Sgt. Enos Johnson said.}}


I haven't read that she collected them over a few weeks, but as the article above states, a few weeks ago.

I don't think it takes someone like us to know not to pick up bones off of the beach.


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10. "RE: Unidentified bones found"
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   CRAZY !!!


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Oct-02-03, 11:01 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Unidentified bones found"
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   I hate to be too critical of someone who might have evidence in this case, but geez, why in the world would anyone even want to pick up bones be they human or not. She had to be thinking, having a thought process, because she DID pick them up. So, just the mere fact that she did pick them up and take them home might make her story less credible.

Then again, she might have thought they might wash away if she left them unattended while she notified authorities. But in either case, one has to wonder why she waited so long to contact authorities.

What is interesting, IMO, is that they were allegedly found in the location of Laci's body. If that is true (don't know if it can ever be established) that would reinforce the fact that the body was anchored or weighted down in a particular location. If not, what would account for the bones washing up in the same place as the body?


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12. "RE: Unidentified bones found"
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   Remember the woman in Longview WA who saw Laci but didn't report it for a month? Then, remember the woman and her husband who saw Laci walking the dog but didn't report it for a week? That's just the way this case works. The lady bone collector just fits right in, don't you think? It takes people awhile to think about things and decide what to do.


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13. "No NOT BONES ..."
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   ...normal people wouldn't think of picking them up let alone taking them home....no way and normal people wouldn't need time to think it over, not an hour, a day, week(s), or months. This is much different than the folks that saw Laci walking her dog.

These are human body parts or animal parts! Could be she was going to do that 'smuff art' adding to the collection on the bay. Eeeek!


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14. "RE: No NOT BONES ..."
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   I'm just trying to think what would motivate a woman to pick up BONES (having no idea who or what these bones belong to), take them home, and store them in plastic bags. Then keep them for a few weeks, and suddenly decide to call authorities.

I just can't help but think that she right away thought they might be connected to Laci, and wanted to try and make some money off of them...but when she realized there was no way she could (and not get caught), she turned them over. Maybe I'm just cynical, but it seems everyone wants a piece of the pie (definitely no pun intended) that this case has turned out to be.....

One thing- and I know this is quite gross, but the fact that she even considered picking them up tells me that they were probably "clean" bones- in other words, nothing left on them. Wonder if there will be enough marrow left to extract any DNA for a match.


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15. "animal bones"
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   just read ay the Modesto Bee that they are animal bones.


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16. "RE: animal bones"
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   http://www.modbee.com/local/story/7537059p-8449292c.html

Latest bones recovered near bay came from animal, officials say

By JOHN COTÉ
BEE STAFF WRITER

Published: October 3, 2003, 05:00:24 AM PDT

Bones recovered recently near the site where Laci Peterson's remains were found are from an animal, authorities said Thursday.
A forensic expert analyzed the bones at the Contra Costa County coroner's facility Thursday and determined they were not human, said sheriff's spokesman Jimmy Lee.

A Richmond woman said she discovered the bones "weeks ago" near the spot where Laci Peterson's remains were found along the eastern shore of San Francisco Bay, Richmond police Sgt. Enos Johnson said.

The woman gave the bones to police Monday.

Peterson, 27, was almost eight months pregnant when she was reported missing Christmas Eve. Her body was badly decomposed when a passer-by found it in April at Point Isabel Regional Shoreline, south of Richmond. The body of her unborn son was found near the shoreline about a mile away.

Scott Peterson, 30, has been charged with two counts of murder in the deaths of his wife and son. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

Prevailing winds and tides in the bay regularly bring debris ashore at Point Isabel, a park popular with dog walkers, officials said.

Bee staff writer John Coté can be reached at 578-2394 or jcote@modbee.com.


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17. "More Bones"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-04-03 AT 09:31 AM (EST)
 
Curious from reading about the bones collected near where Lacís body was found, I went there (happened to be passing by the area yesterday) and looked around for a few minutes and I found a few pieces of what might be broken pieces of bones. One looked like a portion of a pelvis, about 1 inch square. Another four pieces looked like one-inch broken pieces of a rib bone. The big piece was bone-white in color and the riblike pieces were and grey-white and heavy like clay or plaster. I will mail them by to the MPD this morning. I have no idea if they are human or animal. Also they seem older, perhaps many years old. But how can one tell?
(edited sentence re color)


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18. "RE: More Bones"
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   I don't get it...why didn't you just call someone? But instead you took them with you and are now mailing them?

Like Countrygirl said in post #5, once a person removes the bones, their true origin becomes questionable!

From what you described of the bones, I doubt they're Laci's. Who knows? But still......


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19. "RE: More Bones"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-04-03 AT 01:17 PM (EST)
 
I don't like to bother LE, generally, with phone calls. They have their priorities. Besides, they are far away and it is simply an easy way for me to get them there without much trouble or expense. I think it is unlikely they are Lacís but only an analysis can tell if human or animal so that question will take time.

p.s. I have a website, I update daily, called "Mikie's Journal" which is hardly viewed at all by anyone except myself. It's here:
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if anyone is interested, just peek in anytime. It's inspired by Jann Scott's Journal.


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20. "RE: More Bones"
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   I understand that you didn't want to bother them, but ewwwwww, why take ANY bones home with you?

Anyone that finds bones in an area that they know was where a body was found, or near there, should leave them alone and phone police.

NEVER remove anything that could be linked to a victim or their killer... you just don't know.


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21. "RE: More Bones"
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   These were near the water's edge at high tide. They were mixed in among gravel, large sections of pavement and concrete, driftwood, sand, and other debris. The possibility of finding them later was very low. To call MPD and say there are pieces of bone on that beach would be ridiculous because they would probably never find them. I doubt that even I could find them if I had not picked them up. That beach is a mile long. So it may seem like a crime scene to you but for me it is a part of the earth, and bones are not untouchable. Sitting on the beach and rolling with the waves, they are absolutely meaningless.


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22. "RE: More Bones"
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   I think I know what they are now, at least some of them. The riblike pieces might be pieces of a broken clay windchime. I kind of rememver seeing one of those long ago. They did look like clay, and they broke into small pieces so it was something brittle. But the one piece that I just don't know about is the one that I thought might be a piece of pelvis. It was definitely different from the others but nearly the same color, and thicker, about 1/2 inch. Maybe from an animal or whale, something big.


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