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"More on Kidnap plot plus Amber Phone Con"
 
   FROM FOXNEWS.COM:


Attorney Says He Has Evidence for Peterson Kidnap Plot


Monday , September 29, 2003

The attorney for the inmate who claimed double murder suspect Scott Peterson (search) plotted the kidnapping of his pregnant wife may have "corroborating evidence" as early as Monday, Fox News has learned.

Frank Muna, the attorney representing Cory Lee Carroll (search), told Fox News he hopes to soon produce documentation, and possibly a witness, placing Peterson at locations in Fresno where he allegedly met with two members of a neo-Nazi prison gang.

Carroll, a parolee jailed since August after missing a court date, told investigators that he introduced Peterson to the two Nazi Low Riders (search) members on Nov. 29, shortly after meeting him in a Fresno strip club.

According to Carroll's account, Peterson initially said he wanted to find someone who would steal his wife's car as part of an insurance scam, but that talk in the meeting turned to kidnapping, at which point he left the Fresno motel room because he did not want to be involved.

Laci Peterson (search) went missing from her Modesto home on Christmas Eve, and her body, along with that of her unborn son, Conner, washed ashore on the San Francisco Bay in April. Scott Peterson was arrested for their murders shortly thereafter.

Carroll disclosed the story in June only after recognizing Scott Peterson on television, Muna said. Muna notified law enforcement after his client passed a polygraph test administered by a former Fresno police lieutenant.

The former officer, Lt. Melvin King, told Fox News, "Mr. Carroll was able to convince me that he truly believes what he's saying has some validity to it."

But the self-described petty property criminal's credibility has recently come under question.

A spokesman for the California Department of Corrections disputed Carroll's claims that he had not stepped forward earlier because he was in prison lockdown and had no access to media reports for months.

The spokesman told Fox News on Saturday Carroll's story was "simply not true."

In addition, Janey Peterson, Scott Peterson's sister-in-law, told Fox News she, her husband, and Scott and Laci Peterson were together in San Diego on Nov. 29 and that it would have been impossible for Scott Peterson to have made the alleged trip to Fresno.

In other developments, Fox News has learned that Peterson and his mistress, Amber Frey (search), were in frequent contact around the time of his wife's disappearance.

According to phone records, Peterson and Frey spoke at least twice on Christmas Eve, the day Laci Peterson went missing.

The following day, they spoke again at 8:23 in the morning, and at least three more times afterward.

Frey called Peterson 13 times on Dec. 26. The 28-year-old single mother and massage therapist has said that she did not know that Peterson was married and that his wife was missing until Dec. 29. At 1:43 a.m. the following day she called Modesto police and informed them of her relationship with Peterson.

Those familiar with the prosecution's case have told Fox News that it will hinge on Peterson's love for Frey as the motive in the double murders. Frey will play a lead role and lawyers are currently preparing her to take the stand at the Oct. 20 preliminary hearing, the sources said.

On Valentine's Day, Peterson phoned Frey seven times to say he was in love with her and wanted to see her, sources in the investigation told Fox News.


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1. "RE: More on Kidnap plot plus Amber Phone"
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   It says he may have evidence as early as Monday.....I wonder if they mean NEXT Monday or today???

Guess we'll find out.....plus interesting about the number of phone calls between Amber & Scott.....

The plot thickens.....


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2. "does anyone know?"
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   Does anyone know the exact date Amber and Scott met? I was thinking it was around Nov. 20th. Now, if he and Laci were in San Diego the next weekend visiting his family, did he and Amber make contact during that time? I'm sure we'll learn more of it soon, but I was wondering if it's been mentioned already? I bet he gave her some excuse as to being out of town on business or soemthing. I wonder if Laci or Janey noticed him making or recieving any calls.......


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3. "November 20, 2002..."
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   ...was the date reported Scott met Amber as I recall.
As for 'LOVE' who is to say. Seems like an occasional roll in the hay IMO it's plain and clear.


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4. "RE: November 20, 2002..."
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   I don't think it was love, I think it was just sex.

I want to know more about the calls and the times that they were made.. were there any on the 23rd and 24th, and if there were, what time?

Pretty darn sickening that he made calls to her on Christmas just a few hours after Laci was missing.


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5. "RE: November 20, 2002..."
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   >Pretty darn sickening that he made calls to her on Christmas
>just a few hours after Laci was missing.

Momof6, even more so, IF he is responsible for putting Laci in the ocean.


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6. "RE: November 20, 2002..."
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   You are sooooooooo right!


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7. "RE: Decembe 25, 2002..."
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   Laci went missing on Dec 24th. While everyone is freaking out Scott is talking to Amber on the 25th. Not once, not twice, not three times but four times.
That's what I call true love in between the strip joints.
This idiot who states the neo nazi's who Scott put them up to killing Laci. All I can say is prove it.
The defense sure don't wont to use that as and excuse now do they...


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8. "RE: Decembe 25, 2002..."
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   Sam, you said... "This idiot who states the neo nazi's who Scott put them up to killing Laci. All I can say is prove it.
The defense sure don't wont to use that as and excuse now do they..."


Momof6 asks: I am not sure I understand what you mean. Do you mean that you think that the defense will be that the neo nazi's put Scott up to killing Laci, or that they did it alone?

And I agree, it wouldn't be a good idea for the defense to switch to, "Okay, he did it, but the Neo Nazi's made him do it, he didn't wanna."


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9. "Hog Wash ..."
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   ...thats all it is. What attorney in their right mind would be so stupid to put such as criminal Carrol on the stand? Geeez he'd be made into mincemeat!
The Peterson family (Janey) has said that Scott and Laci were in SanDiego on November 29 after a baby shower had been held there.

What neo-nazi group is going to admit they kidnapped Laci in a plot planned between them and Scott on the 29th of November??? They want jail? I doubt it. Either way they're bound to end up in a cell.


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10. "RE: momof6"
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   If the defense tried to use the neo nazi's Scott would be burning himself. Remember he's innocent if he hired and paid the neo nazi's to kill Laci he's guilty.
Besides that Donnie did it. Geragoes is going to prove it !!!


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11. "Carrol's history"
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   Just for the record, Mr. Carrol has been convicted of receiving stolen property and was arrested in August for driving on a suspended license.

That (to me) doesn't sound like a hardened criminal with a rap sheet a mile long. Those sound like pretty simple offenses and I would not completely disregard his testimony if I were on a jury. I employ people with WAY worse offenses and don't think that every word that comes out of their mouth is a lie just because they made some mistakes.

Why is this guy so unbelievable for making some mistakes and bad choices but Amber is forgiven for her mistakes and bad choices? (Just asking!)

But that's just MY opinion.


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12. "RE: Carrol's history"
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   Maybe he did meet with Scott I don't know. Let's let the investigation take it's course.
You know how it is in high profile murder cases the crazies come out of the wood work.
One thing for sure if Scott did try to hire neo nazi's to kidnapp and kill Laci it doesn't help his defense.


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13. "RE: Carrol's history"
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   One more thing how hard would it be to find out what hotel room they met in and confirm who purchased the room.


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14. "RE: Carrol's history"
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   I could care less about those criminal acts that are a known fact regarding Carrol, those are the charges and the acts he was caught up in. He's a criminal and who knows better than he does what he hasn't been caught on. Perhaps they should supoena Carrol on the stand, mincemeat, mincemeat !


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15. "RE: Carrol's history"
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   I saw in the supermarker there was a tabloid like Globe with the story on the cover and a picture of "where it started" a bar or something and the hotel nearby. I didn't read it cause the line was short.


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16. "RE: Carrol's history"
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   If we are talking about not being caught, who knows what Amber has done and never been caught.

Can you honestly tell me that you have never, in your life, done anything that could have gotten you arrested? Never driven your car over 20 miles over the speed limit? (Which by the way is considered by the state of California wreckless driving and an arrestable offense.) Can you honestly tell me that you have never bought anything off of anyone other than a business with a license to sell that product? If you have, then you are just a criminal that didn't get caught.


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17. "RE: Carrol's history"
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   To Countrygirl's well-expressed comments, I'd also like to add this:

MANY MANY times someone with a "criminal history" is called to testify in a case. (Sometimes it's someone DIRECTLY INVOLVED in the same crime for which the perp is being prosecuted!)

If police investigators, attorneys, and juries NEVER EVER EVER took a criminal's testimony and considered it to possibly be truth, then MANY MANY crimes would never be solved....

I don't think that just because someone has a criminal history, that everything out of his mouth is a lie....

As an example, I work with a young man who is the organist at his church, has never been arrested for anything, and he is a bigtime liar....I think he lies for attention (he was abandoned by his parents as a young child and raised by a variety of relatives, passed around). He is constantly telling "embellished stories". He's really a nice young man- very respectful...he just cannot seem to help himself in lying. It's always stupid stuff- he taught Kirk Franklin a few chords on the piano, he was offered a job playing organ for the Winan Family, even that his 84-yr old grandmother had struck and killed a boy while she was driving a school bus...but it's all lies!

And my pastor actually MURDERED a man 40 years ago- beat him to death. He was a gang member- when they arrested him for the murder, he spit at the cameras filming him, and screamed and swore that he'd do it again if given the chance. But he has been completely transformed, and he is the most sincere and wonderful person I have ever had the priviledge to know. He just got back from Haiti on a mission trip, and he fasted and prayed continually for 3 weeks before going, out of concern for the people there. He works tirelessly on behalf of Haiti- getting medical supplies, food, and shelter for the people there. And this was a man who HATED black people as a gang member!

He has a serious criminal past- does that make him a liar? I don't think so.


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18. "RE: Carrol's history"
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   Any good criminal investigator will have informants that are criminals. Because the criminals know what's going on, law abideing hard working people don't know what's going on in the real world.
They have no ideal except what they read and see on tv. They don't have time, they work and have a family to take care of.
Carols crminal history is not that bad and that doesn't bother me.
But to be in jail and wait 6 months in a minmum security facility and then state you have been on lock down and didn't know anything about the case. I have a problem with that.


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19. "RE: Carrol's history"
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   I have a problem with Carrol and I'm not going to compare apples to oranges, housewives, husbands, neighbors or ministers.

NO I have never bought anything from anyone who wasn't licensed to sell the product. One vehicle related ticket,,,a parking meter, 15 minutes overtime LOL

I'm not saying I've never made a mistake and didn't get caught, but my 'mistakes' were innocent MISTAKES, not criminal acts.


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