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"Caffeine found, no GHB found"
 
   From the Modesto Bee:


Caffeine found in Peterson's body


By JOHN COTÉ
and GARTH STAPLEY


Published: September 22, 2003, 04:31:40 AM PDT


Laci Peterson had caffeine in her system when she died, a toxicology report shows, while her unborn son, Conner, did not, a source familiar with the tests said.
Toxicology documents also show that police specifically asked medical examiners to test Peterson's remains for the "date rape" drug GHB, and that none was found.

"Toxicology testing performed on skeletal muscle is positive only for caffeine and PEA (decomposition product)," according to a report from the Contra Costa County coroner's office, the agency that performed the autopsies.

The presence of caffeine in Peterson's body and not in her unborn son's does not, however, indicate that Conner was outside his mother's womb when she was killed, forensic analysts said.

Attorneys for Scott Peterson, who is charged with murdering his wife and son, may try to use the toxicology tests to raise questions about the circumstances of the deaths, experts speculated.

Prosecutors maintain that Peterson murdered his wife on Dec. 23 or 24, when she was nearly eight months pregnant, and then pretended she was missing while a massive search ensued.

Laci's and Conner's remains were found in mid-April about a mile apart along the eastern shore of San Francisco Bay, within four miles of the spot where Peterson told police he launched his boat for a solo fishing trip on Christmas Eve.

Peterson's defense team maintains that authorities mistakenly targeted the 30-year-old fertilizer salesman, floating theories that include cult members and a suspicious van -- and casting doubt on whether Peterson killed his wife in the days before Christmas.

Evidence suggesting that Conner was born before he was killed would aid the defense, said Stephen Schoenthaler, a criminal justice professor at California State University, Stanislaus.

That is because Peterson would appear to have had little opportunity to kill while under the police and media scrutiny that developed soon after he told family members that his wife was missing.

"It all comes down to how much (caffeine) was in her, and was it a reliable measure," Schoenthaler said.

Three forensic experts said it would be uncommon to find measurable amounts of caffeine in the body of an unborn child even if its mother consumed large quantities of it. That would suggest that the Peterson test results are meaningless.

"Trace amounts can get through, but trying to find it for a toxicology (report) is an exercise in futility," said forensic pathologist Dr. Harry J. Bonnell of San Diego. "The odds of it passing into the fetus are minimal to nil."

Dr. Mary Case, chief medical examiner in St. Louis County, Mo., and an expert in child death, frequently reviews toxicology reports on fetuses whose mothers are suspected of substance abuse. She said she has never seen an unborn child with measurable amounts of caffeine.

"In the usual amount of caffeine that people have, it just wouldn't show up (in a fetus)," Case said.

Dr. Richard T. Mason, forensic pathologist for the Santa Cruz County coroner's office, said the placenta is more effective in blocking out caffeine than other chemicals, such as cocaine.

Caffeine can stay several days in the body of an adult after consumption, Bonnell said. Common sources are coffee, tea, sodas, chocolate and some over-the-counter medication.

Friend: Caffeine was avoided

Laci Peterson, a 27-year-old substitute teacher, enjoyed coffee but avoided the beverage -- and its caffeine -- when she was pregnant, said a friend who asked to remain anonymous.

"She had tried to limit or stop drinking caffeinated drinks," the friend said. "She did drink coffee before she became pregnant."

Bonnell acknowledged that members of Peterson's defense team could attempt to show that Laci consumed something with caffeine after giving birth.

"The world could also end tomorrow," Bonnell said. "They can blow smoke with it, but the fact that it was not in the baby certainly is not proof that the baby had to have been born."

Mason also noted that Laci Peterson would have had multiple opportunities to ingest something with caffeine in it.

"If she was home alone and had a cup of coffee or cup of tea, who's to say?" Mason asked. "I'd be hard put to make something out of that."

Euphoria-producing drug

In asking for the GHB test, police investigators sought evidence of the depressant that can render people unconscious, particularly when mixed with alcohol.

In low doses, gamma hydroxy butyrate produces a high or euphoric feeling as inhibitions are depressed, making it a popular drug in the club scene.

Mason said that if the drug had appeared in this case, it could have been an indication that Peterson had been drugged in an attempt to subdue her before she was killed.

"That would be the obvious inference," Mason said. "I don't know why they looked for that, unless they had some indication that he had access to it."

GHB metabolizes rapidly in the system and can be hard to detect during testing, Mason said.

"It's pretty difficult to find, even in a case where it's been used," he said. "I don't think decomposition would enhance the ability to find it, certainly."

Bee staff writer John Coté can be reached at 578-2394 or jcote@modbee.com.

Bee staff writer Garth Stapley can be reached at 578-2390 or gstapley@modbee.com.


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1. "RE: Caffeine found, no GHB found"
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   Yeah, while that would have made sense or made for an easy murder, I think most of us knew that the ghb theory would piddle out.

I think that initially, they saw ghb in her blood, but some levels are normal, we all have it in our blood, they got excited before they got the facts.


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2. "RE: Caffeine found, no GHB found"
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   All this tells me is she had a cup of coffee before she was killed.


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3. "RE: Caffeine found, no GHB found"
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   If the source of the caffeine was coffee, it almost tells me that it was morning. Not many people can tolerate caffeine in the evenings. I would say this should be true of Laci, especially if reports from her friends were true, that she had stopped drinking coffee during her pregnancy.

It is also possible that it came from a hot cocoa or iced tea during dinner, so the caffeine tells us nothing.


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4. "RE: Caffeine found, no GHB found"
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   For all we know, Laci had some chocolate that morning, or night, depending on when she was murdered... I personally believe she was killed on the 23rd.

But what is the big deal? A little caffeine in her blood? Geesh, you can get that from many sources, many.

And if she died shortly after consuming it, then it wouldn't be present in Conner's system.


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5. "RE: Caffeine found, no GHB found"
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   Since this new revelation regarding the convict's statement, I believe that Laci was kidnapped on Christmas Eve morning. So much of the information we've been given fits this scenario. The scream heard in the park; the witnesses who saw her with McKenzie; the tan van seen in the neighborhood, etc. And it's very possible that it was originally a kidnapping that ended in murder. The perps could have heard reports of Scott's fishing trip and dumped her body there to incriminate him (even more so that his original involvement.) And if he had made a pact to have her kidnapped, maybe at first he had no idea they had actually killed her. Whatever, I do think the whole crime was instigated by him. It was a conspiracy in which he was so intricately involved that he is just as guilty as though he had actually done the deed himself.

I'd like to know if the convict's description of the perps fits the description of the men in the van seen by a witness at the service station.

JMO


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6. "The Experts Say ..."
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   ...and I'm listenening to the experts:
" Dr. Mary Case, chief medical examiner in St. Louis County, Mo., and an expert in child death, frequently reviews toxicology reports on fetuses whose mothers are suspected of substance abuse. She said she has never seen an unborn child with measurable amounts of caffeine.

"In the usual amount of caffeine that people have, it just wouldn't show up (in a fetus)," Case said.

Dr. Richard T. Mason, forensic pathologist for the Santa Cruz County coroner's office, said
the placenta is more effective in blocking out caffeine than other chemicals, such as cocaine...."
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   So, basically, this info about caffeine is useless. It doesn't give us a clue about the circumstances of her death, because there are so many sources of caffeine. Even if you went with the scenario that she was held captive for awhile before she was killed- when her captors gave her food, they probably gave her a coke to drink as well.

As far as I'm concerned, if Scott was involved with these people in a kidnapping plot on his own wife, even if he didn't mean her to be killed he is as guilty as they are.


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